We should Love Our Mother --A Spiritual War
We should Love Our MotherFor us Syrian Orthodox believers we have three Mothers.
1) Erthly Mother Those who give us physical birth.
2) Our Stepmother (Church) who brought up us in Spirit
3) Our Mother Mary who gave birth to Our Lord Jesus Christ
We should Love Our MotherFor us Syrian Orthodox believers we have three Mothers.
1) Erthly Mother Those who give us physical birth.
2) Our Stepmother (Church) who brought up us in Spirit
3) Our Mother Mary who gave birth to Our Lord Jesus Christ
She is our Protector, who protect us from evil spirit.Let us be thankful to our Mothers...........So that we may live long........
When I speak of the church and the mother of our Lord a satanic Pentecostal came to fight with me. By the grace of God and the protection of St. Mary and all the saints and angels I fought against him, The liar the devil who was from the very beginning send the His wrath against me. He tried to say that we can’t call our church as a mother and St Mary as our spiritual mother and protector. It is totally against the teachings of our Holy Fathers. God helped me to fight against him. In between he tried to blame me accuse me and tease with all lie. One of my friend who read my postings in the orkut asked me to put it together and make it in order, he said it nicely you beaten him. Glory to the Lord. It is with the prayer of our Mother and all saints God strengthened me with his sward.
I started like this. As a part of the Satanic Pentecostal Cult you don’t have the right to utter a single word in the Holy Church and about the Holy Church. If you want to argue with us, sorry we are not here for that. It is not the way of the saints. “But if any man seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.” 1Cor.11:16. I am saying about my Church and my believes. As a Satanic Pentecostal cult you don’t have the church and nature of Holy Church then there is no matter of talking you about the Church. But for my brothers in this forum I would like to say some words about it.
In writings of our Holy fathers it is very clear that the church is our mother and we are her seed. The liturgy of our church says we are the children of our church. Even Bible (Only the part and the product of the church) says we are the children of the Holy Church, the bride of our Lord Jesus Christ. (We are the children of Jesus as he is the creator of whole universe, we are the brothers of Jesus Christ as he gave us that right, and we are his Bride as we are the part of the Holy Church of Jesus Christ.)
According to the Syrian Orthodox church Understanding Christian Family is defined as a domestic church, a church where God is worshiped as the Lord.
At the time of Baptism of Our church we used to sing
“One has delivered and other one is looking after it”.
“Oruval Pettu mattoruval pottunnu….”Church is the one who is responsible to look after the child who is dedicated to the Lord, on the day of Baptism. It is the responsibility of the parents and all the Christian fellow beings to cater the kids in divine Spirit.
(St. Cyprian, De unit. 6: PL 4, 519).a saint of the church says"No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother" Mothers are loved by their families, and the love of a mother for her sons and daughters knows no bounds. They carried us lovingly in the womb for a period. We have partaken of her goodness, fed on her and developed within her. She has lovingly carried us and to her great joy has given us birth and brought us into this world. From then on she has been there for us to feed us and give us physical growth. She has ensured for our education. As a family she has acted as intermediary with other members, especially our father, from us to him, and to him from us, she intermediates in both directions, and with our brothers and sisters she has ensure that we have acted out of love and charity at all times. I have always liked the idea of church as mother, ever since I was made aware of it. From the above passage on mothers, reading it again, it is not difficult to see the similarities.
The Church like our mother, cares for her sons and daughters, and provides spiritual food for growth in the faith. She ensures for our education, and has tried to ensure that we act out of love and charity with our brothers and sisters at all times. She has been our mediator with God the father, through the power invested in her by Jesus Christ His son, and our brother. Off course, the mothering relationship in human terms and spiritual terms whilst in some ways similar, are in others totally different. I see my mother giving up her life for me; I see her constant concern for me personally, which maybe isn't there from the church all the time. May be the Church is a mother when we go to her as sons and daughters in need, but a mother is always mothering us, twenty four hours a day, whether we are approaching her or not. We are always on her mind. We love our mother, not because she possesses qualities which surpass those of other human beings, but for the simple fact that she is our mother. She might not posses some virtues to the same degree as others, but she is our mother never-the-less and that is why we love her. Because of whom she is, not because of what she is. This is also true of the Church I think. The church has its faults, its weaknesses, and there are moments of which we are ashamed to claim her as our "mother". However, love her we do, because she is our mother, and because our brother Jesus loved her, with all her shortcomings and gave his life for her.
So, in the physical sphere we are given birth, educated, fed and given growth by our earthly mother, so we are also given birth, educated, fed and given growth by our spiritual mother. I think the idea of Church as mother is a helpful one for communicating a good image of church. Although some people do not have a good idea of their mother, I think most people will be able to understand the emotions and the terms of the relationship of which we can speak. Another aspect of this model which can be expanded is the idea of the family unit as a symbol of church, and of the church as being a family unit. The mother-model of the church is suited to this idea. More over like my earthly mother helps me to know and love my father, it is my mother “church” helped me to know my triune almighty who had given his life for me and equipped me to love and worship him in true spirit.
Regarding St Mary
You Pentecostal cults are antichristian because you are witnessing not the Christ who born from perpetual Virgin Mary. You are witnessing antichrist, a christ born out of a prodigal girl. We don’t know who he is and what you are. Our Lord is born out of Virgin Mary, and Our Lord’s Mother is ever Virgin. If your lord’s mother is ever virgin let us speak about her. You are now the part of Satanic Cult. It is very clear from the word of God that the spirit in you was from the very beginning to blame the faithful. You don’t have the Blessed body and bread of Our Lord (Holy Qurbono) then how can you understand what we are speaking. I am sad about you.When we partake the Holy body of Jesus Christ we become the part of the mystical body of Jesus Christ. Thus we become the part of His life and He becomes the part of our Life. When we think in that line what we have and what we own is His and What he is what he owns is ours. As St. Mary is the mother and beloved to Our Lord she is our Mother and beloved to us, her offspring.
Rev. 12: 17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”It is very clear from these words that 1. And the dragon was wroth with the woman (St Mary), 2. And went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Children of St Mary)3. Which keep the commandments of God (Those who keep the commandment of God is the seed/offspring of St Mary)4. And have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ is the seed/offspring of St Mary)I think you may got brother evrything………….I am Sorry to say you satanic………please try to realize the truth……..God loves you…….Try to understand the word of God in Love of Him, believe in the word of GOD like a child. Don’t be prejudiced……….Don’t allow Satan to be win over you…..
Please read St John 6 Jesus Came to world to give us life. He chose the bread and wine as the means to give us His life, for that he established the Holy Qurbono. Some of the apostles and many gathered there couldn’t believe that what our Lord said. At the end of the chapter: Lord called Jude who didn’t believe in the body and blood of Our Lord as Satan (evil)…….. On the day of lat supper when he (Jude) took the body and blood of our Lord with out believing that as the body and blood of our Lord, Satan entered into him. Brother we want you to be saved.
What is the difference between Satan and God?
Satan looks negatives in every positive. God looks Positives in every negatives. You the satanic cult who cannot see any positive in Holy Virgin Mary…..the mother of all Christians. I would like to conclude by saying that as Orthodox Christians, we are also reminded of our mother Mary in this model. It is worth noting that she has also been seen as a model of the Church. In my opinion the magnificent of the mother of our Lord, can easily be seen as a song of the church militant.
It is the nature of the Satan to play with words; He will never hesitate to quote the word of God. The same we can see in what Satan did during the temptation of Jesus.
Then said these words
I have also passed my B.D. and we have learnt that there are two ways to interpreting the bible, exegesis and eisegesis. I think you are familiar with that. Exegesis is studying the text in the context and then interpreting it and eisegesis is put our ideas into the text without understandng the context. That is exactly what you have done in the verses.What you are doing is eisegesis. It is very clear from your words below. Satan always looks at negative when his pet areas which have kept people in bondage for ages are attacked. Satan does want people to go free. This is Moses cry to Pharoah, "Let my people go free!"
I said to him….
You quoted the word of Moses here to say that Satan don’t want there people to free from bondage. What you want to say? Are we in bondage…….? You are the satanic one wants us to be misguided by quoting this word….ye how we can be under bondage of Satan. We are against Satan…..We are not in bondage. In church we are enjoying communion with our Lord and fellowship of his Holy angels, saints….. and all. Church is the Body of Christ, who bears the body and blood of Christ. You are the one in bondage….. and you want others to be in that bondage.It is the word of God says from the very beginning the serpent who deceiving the children of God there to fight against the Church and its offspring.
Then he again said The church is called to love. Father, you know what these hate messages have done to the church in Kerala. Please be aware of your vocation as Christ's servant. Even on the cross Jesus said, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
I said; this is another technique of Satan. Always want to be good and using the word love in unnecessary ways. For us children of God the word hate is very important...……… For you satanic cult there is no word of hatred in your dictionary. Because you satanic cult if you hate anything there will be nobody in your side…………Dear brother I love you but I hate your deceitful words, and your master Satan, the antichrist.
He said that “the children of God will go free whether you like it or not.”
I saidDear brother Children of God will not go anywhere because those who walk in light will never deviate at anytime from the path…………
Are we in Bondage? We are in Bondage when we do sin and when we disobey the commandment of God Rom 13: 1-ff
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
For you satanic cult in each and everything there is multi meaning, you say being the part of the mystical body of Christ (Holy Church) is bondage, but for us by obeying our Spiritual Authority and be the part of our Church we are obeying the word of God. For you people we can’t call anything more than satanic because you are deceiving the people of God. You are misinterpreting the word of God.It is not myself even the Word of God speaks you are the Satanic antichristian who lead people to darkness.Let me Quote from our beloved Kaniyamparambil AchanIsn’t it good to hear the Lord's words from anyone? Why ban people?
It is good to learn the Lords words from anyone, as long as the person teaching refrains from giving his or her self-interpretation. Unfortunately this is not the case most of the time. They add, alter, and interpret the Lord’s words for their own gain. Apostles barred these kinds of teachers and barred people from going to listen to these people’s teachings. This is because of the fact that believers can easily be misguided. For example, the serpent that entered Eden never told Eve that there was no God or that one should not obey nor worship Him. All he did was to give a small lecture that if one eats the fruit, he or she will be like God. Eve listened thinking that God asked them not to eat the fruit because God feared of them becoming like Him (Her own interpretation). Subsequently she ‘made a decision’ to eat the fruit without thinking about the consequences. She even enticed Adam to eat the same fruit. Today’s heretics and ‘modern day teachers’ do the same thing - i.e. create doubts and confusion in the minds of people. This will create doubts regarding the truth. If people who stayed with the Holy Trinity were swayed by a small lecture, what would be the fate of ordinary people, if one were exposed to false teachings?
Lets us again see what the apostles ordered the church members to do:“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create dissension’s and obstacles, in opposition to the teaching that you learned; avoid them. For such people do not serve our Lord Christ but their own appetites, and by fair and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the innocent.” (Roman 16:17) Please read 2 Cor. 11: 4-15. “But I am afraid that just as the serpent through his deceitfulness misled Eve, so your minds should be corrupted from the sincerity that is in Christ. For if he who has come to you preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you have received another spirit, which you had not received or another gospel, which you had not accepted, you might have listened to him” (2 Cor. 11:3-4). “For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds” (2 Cor. 13-15). Paul gives us such strong messages. If Paul felt that, listening to anyone preaching would not be a problem, he would not have issued such strong messages. From the above advice from Paul, we should understand that many of the preachers or ministers could be false apostles and deceitful workers. John also has issued similar warnings. Now the question is ‘who is telling the truth?’ Is it the new advisers and interpreters that have mushroomed recently or that which was taught (and) practiced from the time of the apostles?
For you Pentecostals
* You don’t have to follow 10 commandments (because you say you are not under the Law) *There is no the Lord’s Prayer to you which our Lord taught his disciples. *There is no confession which God established for the remission of Sin for you satanic cults because you say you are already saved (?), but you are still in your sins.*You don’t have the Holy Qurbono established by our Lord. (St. John 6)*You deny the priestly authority God given to the apostles and its successors. *You deny the anointing the sick by the Holy oil. *You don’t have the Holy Christian Baptism. Through which we become the son of God. And which is for our resurrection and rebirth. *You say you have bible, But we say we have bible and that bible is made by us (Church) for the sake of the church. What we can call you brother……Please go back to the true church of God.
I have nothing with you brother please….. please understand the truth. Please read the links which I posted above.
This is what you do always…… just running around the bush. Another thing for your notice "Our Church' is the one who made this bible and the Church is not the byproduct of Bible. The satanic Pentecostals are the cult which formed out of pried, greedy, selfishness, and ignorance and using the bible for their own way. Thus we call you wolves among us. Children know who their mother is and who their father is. I am not interested to discuss with you more. Even if God says you directly you won’t change.
Getting BD is nothing Man. I know after all what BD is and how much you got through that BD. It is not the human intellect that leads the church it is the wisdom of God revealed to our Holy fathers speaks through our liturgy, especially our Promiyoon Sedra of our church.... Which is more important and most Holy as Bible.
I think you may read the following things before you join in this community.......What you learned from BD, some rubbish Pentecostal things meaningless dialogues......You should learn what the fathers of the church said and how the early Christian community believed and lived. That you should learn from the church. How as an outsider you can judge the church and its teachings............For us again I say our Church and St. Mary is our mother. Like a hen protect their chicken under its wings. Our mother Mary covers us and protects us, with her holiness, those who depend on her intercession will be protected from all sins.
Dear brother you may say that you are never doing sin.......But God knows.....If you are under big sins.....if there is any time of temptation you pray hail Mary full of grace. It is sure that she will be there for your support and you can get out and get away from the sins.I know personally many who came out of the Pentecostals and protestant cults witnessed that.......what are the heresies they attributed to St Mary they entered into the same sins, and they where continued the same physical and mortal sins for many times.
Please try to understand the saints and follow their Holy life......and their holy teaching. http://www.armenianchurchlibrary.com/files/wolves_among_us_frkrikorandyeghiahairabedian.pdfIt is the history of Many man made Pentecostal cults like you and how it originated and how was the life of its founders.
Then he accepted and said in this way.
This is what I have been saying right through. Even St. Francis of Asissi prayer Mary to pray to the Lord for the forgiveness of our sins. Nothing more, nothing less. This is the Gospel. We all want forgiveness of our sins through the death of Christ. He does not go beyond that. Again, in both prayers, he salutes her for her virtues. Every true believer will salute the virtues of Mary. There is no doubt of all the virtues for her faith. We have not contradicted that.
I again said to him@ Ipe what ever things you say............at least you accepted one truth I am happy about that. Dear Ipe your dialogues are very cunning and in between you are putting some “masalas” For this I called you devil. Cheating the believers with sweet words. This is what your master did in Aden with the Eve. Using sweet words and putting lie in-between. For us true believers our yes is yes and no is no. There is no compromise. The saints Saluted not only the virtues of St Mary rather they saluted the person. That is why St Aphrem Said
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For us the fellowship of saints is for our protection and they intercede on behalf of us……..this is the apostolic teaching and even St. Paul ask the believers to pray for him as it is in the church of saints.
Then he tried to attack me personally saying the following words.
All you want is people to blindly stick to "what the your concept of what the church is" so that you may enjoy all the priveleges of priesthood Yes true brother I want my People should know the Lord and should believe in true faith. When they began to know and love their church they will know what the church (want to say them) what our forefathers taught us. The holy saints like Mor Ephrem the Syrian who is accepted even by the catholic church as the saint and Doctor of the Church……..what 1st-4th century saints taught us.
Here is no matter of freedom in the church….It is not me develop the faith of the church. It is Holy spirit who revealed the truth to the world through the Apostols and saints like Mor Ephrem and Our Holy fathers like Mor Gregoriose Parumala.Rom 13: 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.One more thing brother, in our Church each of our believers have the inner freedom……You are the one who want others follow you blindly even though you are blind. It is not me or our Spiritual authority who leads the church. It is the Holy Spirit who works in each and every one of the church who lead the church. It is the members of the church who lead by the Holy Spirit govern the church with its elders.
You said “So that I can enjoy all the privileges of priesthood. Dear brother we are not the ‘Masters’ in the garden of our Lord. Rather we are the servants in the pastures. We are not like you liars who get tithe every month from the people and who lead them to darkness. As priest if you say we are enjoying the privilege, it is true we deserve it and it is the people of God who love us give us these all sorts of respect and supports, but personally I am not accepting any offer or anything from anyone….. You are the devil who wants to bring people into confusion by putting this much cheap silly statements. As St. Paul says in Rom 13: 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. Dear brother we deserve everything but we don’t want anything. But for you evil Pentecostal cult if anyone didn’t pay tithe for a month he will be out of your cult. Because you want them only for money.
Dear brother now your real colour came out He continued his words like this.And when that is threatened you get into such an attack which is unchristian and a shame to the cassock you profess to wear. I hope your own sheep expose what you really are, "wolves in sheep's clothing."
I said to Him.Dear brother I don’t have time to sing lullaby to you…………and I am not ready to give you a seat in our ship………..you are the thief…………..How I can bear you brother……..I pray for you to God to pardon you for your personal attack on me. But I can’t bear you or pardon you when you speak lie about the God, the word of God, His church and its saints.
In between one of the saintly person belongs to our Sister catholic Church said in this way…….
Sons of Darkness---Wolf in in disguise
Ipe proved him self to be a lier and a fraud.He proved himself to be part of one of satanic pentecostal cult.It is of these frauds Jesus called wolfs in disguise.MOST of the new age churches are composed of A SATANIC CULT MASTER , his agents called pastors who get money from the cult master ,some mental patients , and 80 % of brainwashed innocent fellows, who consider the cult master as a Godly person .The cult master usually make his customization (false interpretation ) of some of the bible verses and start a new cult which he call a new church)CULT MASTER takes money from the rich innocent brainwashed fools ,who believe by giving money to him they can reach heaven.By this money THE CULT MASTER live Like a King and agents get a job for their daily food, canvassing fools for his BOSS, the CULT MASTER.There are more than 1000 of such satanic Pentecostal cults, which teach contradictory things.Either God is deceiver or they are satanic deceivers who tell lies for money and power.
Please ban IPe
Please ban IPe who tries to spread satanic pentecostal cult ideas.
To moderators
Even devil quote from BibileThere are pentecostal cults which quotes to praise homosexuality.Pentecostal cults quote bible to call "Obama" , "Putin" etc as anti christ.They quote bible and predicted end of world so many times.They quote bible to preach lawlessness and to claim they are already saved.Kindly do not give chance to agents of devil , who are disguised as lambs.
@IpeYou are again continuing your blame and lie. Dear brother if our Leaders travel in the benze or corolla or anything it is because of us. They are our spiritual fathers and we are proud of that.... This I say the cunningness in your words.......You want to pull the pity hearts down........You are a pastor or not that is not a matter. You are the one who belongs to the chain. I know many Pentecostal and I am well known about the percentage you share from top to bottom. Rev 12: 9 and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Dear brother you are the one who we call devil, you are the one who criticize the church and the teachings of the church. It is the word says, our Lord have caste down you from the very beginning. You are the Lucifer, who blame the children of God and blame in every silly thing in whole day and night.
He again asked me the reason for that I called the Church and St
Mary as mothers.
I said him
I have already answered to your questions in my second postings…….there is no more answerAs a full human being our Lord Jesus was protected by Mother Mary when he was child. And she was protected by St Joseph when she carried our Lord in her Womb.What you mean by protection and salvation?As an earthly mother our mother protected us from all the dangers in the world, when we where kids. We all know that it is through her God worked. If you say no it is not your mother protected you from all dangers, it is the God who protected me, I will say that’s true God is all and God is the inspiration for her to do so, or God equipped her to do so. It is good to say God Almighty is everything and he is all at all time that is the sign of divinity. My God is not a selfish one like you and me. It is the God himself make saints worthy to be honored (not worshiped) by others. Just think a house got fire, and if a child is inside... His mother…. at any cost will go inside and fetch that child…because its her child. Will she do it if it’s her cousin or some one..? Some times!!!
True that means our mother will protect us. For that she is willing to leave her life or danger her life. If earthly mom are truly filled with holy sprit.. She will save her child from doing evil things…..for eg:…. just think about St. Augustine...Only his mom’s tears made him a saint... Being protector doesn’t mean that being a savior or redeemer. I and you can’t ever say I am a holy I am a saint I am all and I am worthy to praise. But we will say those who lived as per the word of God by partake the Holy Qurbono is Holy and saint. It is the spirit in the Lord through.
Whom our father raised his only begotten son will raise the dead (saints). It is partaking the Holy Communion with holiness and leave in holiness merit the saints to be worthy for their resurrection. The mother protects her kids from all harms and malice, definitely protection is the act performed by God through Man.
If you say the use of the term protection is not correct. Then how we can say the earthly mother protecting her kids. If so our mother Mary is with us for our protection. From all evil spirits attacks evil thoughts and from all evil wretched acts. As she is mother who promised by God Almighty to St John she is our Mother. It is long after her ascension in to the heavenly aboard St John said that she is the mother of all true Christians who witness Jesus Christ and follow the commandment of God. Rev. 12:17.Do you accept this word of St John as she is our Spiritual mother? No because you have nothing with our Lord and His Mother. For St John Mother Mary is his mother. Not only his mother, the Mother of all human being. Elizabeth and all apostles addressed St. Mary as mother; St Luke is very specific when he uses the term mother when he addresses St Mary.
But you Pentecostals are hesitate even to pronounce the word of our Mother Mary. I didn’t mean the word protection as creation or salvation or redemption. The word protection may use in different ways. You don’t know who is a saint and what the role of saints in the church is. Then how can you know that how Mary is our protector. It is the promise of our Lord to the world at the time of the ascension of St. Mary that in all the malice He will protect the world if she intercedes to our Lord on behalf of us. You liar devil cannot understand this truth. Because you are born out of lie and continuing the same. Do you know how Mary protected the people of India Including your Grand Mothers at time of Tippu Sulthan……. There is a social and cultural basis of starting 8 Nombu perunnal in kerala.
During the time of Tipu when the army tried to maltreat and rape the people of God especially women, they began to pray gathered at Manargad Church and request for the intercession of St Mary. At the end there was a great flood and all the army of Tipu went back many died of this flood. Thus our women in the Kerala got escaped. This is the way our Mother protect us from all the dangers and malice.
As Jance said the time is over to ban the satanic pentacostals
Rev.12:1 സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ വലിയൊരു അടയാളം കാണായി: സൂര്യനെ അണിഞ്ഞോരു സ്ത്രീ (St Mary); അവളുടെ കാൽക്കീഴ് ചന്ദ്രനും അവളുടെ തലയിൽ പന്ത്രണ്ടു നക്ഷത്രംകൊണ്ടുള്ള കിരീടവും ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു.12:2 അവൾ ഗർഭിണിയായി നോവുകിട്ടി വേദനപ്പെട്ടു നിലവിളിച്ചു.12:3 സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ മറ്റൊരു അടയാളം കാണായി: ഏഴു തലയും പത്തു കൊമ്പും തലയിൽ ഏഴു രാജമുടിയുമായി തീനിറമുള്ളോരു മഹാസർപ്പം.12:4 അതിന്റെ വാൽ ആകാശത്തിലെ നക്ഷത്രങ്ങളിൽ മൂന്നിലൊന്നിനെ വലിച്ചുകൂട്ടി ഭൂമിയിലേക്കു എറിഞ്ഞുകളഞ്ഞു. പ്രസവിപ്പാറായ സ്ത്രീ(St Mary) പ്രസവിച്ച ഉടനെ കുട്ടിയെ തിന്നുകളവാൻ മഹാസർപ്പം അവളുടെ മുമ്പിൽ നിന്നു.12:5 അവൾ സകലജാതികളെയും ഇരിമ്പുകോൽ കൊണ്ടു മേയ്പാനുള്ളോരു ആൺകുട്ടിയെ പ്രസവിച്ചു; (Jesus Christ) കുട്ടി ദൈവത്തിന്റെ അടുക്കലേക്കും അവന്റെ സിംഹാസനത്തിലേക്കും പെട്ടെന്നു എടുക്കപ്പെട്ടു.(Jesus’s Death, resurrection and Asscention to Heaven)
12:6 സ്ത്രീ മരുഭൂമിയിലേക്കു(Heaven/ Paradise) ഓടിപ്പോയി; അവിടെ അവളെ ആയിരത്തിരുനൂറ്ററുപതു ദിവസം പോറ്റേണ്ടതിന്നു ദൈവം ഒരുക്കിയോരു സ്ഥലം അവൾക്കുണ്ടു.
Repeating the same incident in another way in the following words.12:7 പിന്നെ സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ യുദ്ധം ഉണ്ടായി; മീഖായേലും അവന്റെ ദൂതന്മാരും മഹാസർപ്പത്തോടു പടവെട്ടി; തന്റെ ദൂതന്മാരുമായി മഹാസർപ്പവും പടവെട്ടി ജയിച്ചില്ലതാനും.12:8 സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ അവരുടെ സ്ഥലം പിന്നെ കണ്ടതുമില്ല. 12:9 ഭൂതലത്തെ മുഴുവൻ തെറ്റിച്ചുകളയുന്ന പിശാചും സാത്താനും എന്ന മഹാസർപ്പമായ പഴയ പാമ്പിനെ ഭൂമിയിലേക്കു തള്ളിക്കളഞ്ഞു; അവന്റെ ദൂതന്മാരെയും അവനോടു കൂടെ തള്ളിക്കളഞ്ഞു.12:10 അപ്പോൾ ഞാൻ സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ ഒരു മഹാശബ്ദം പറഞ്ഞുകേട്ടതു: ഇപ്പോൾ നമ്മുടെ ദൈവത്തിന്റെ രക്ഷയും ശക്തിയും രാജ്യവും അവന്റെ ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ ആധിപത്യവും തുടങ്ങിയിരിക്കുന്നു; (By the Incarnation of our Lord itself the majesty of our Lord started in the world that is why Jesus said Kingdom is among you.) നമ്മുടെ സഹോദരന്മാരെ രാപ്പകൽ ദൈവ സന്നിധിയിൽ കുറ്റം ചുമത്തുന്ന അപവാദിയെ തള്ളിയിട്ടുകളഞ്ഞുവല്ലോ.12:11 അവർ (saints) അവനെ കുഞ്ഞാടിന്റെ രക്തം ഹേതുവായിട്ടു ജയിച്ചു; മരണപര്യന്തം തങ്ങളുടെ പ്രാണനെ സ്നേഹിച്ചതുമില്ല. (Saints sacrifised their life for Christ)12:12 ആകയാൽ സ്വർഗ്ഗവും അതിൽ വസിക്കുന്നവരുമായുള്ളോരേ, (Saints are Living in the Heaven) ആനന്ദിപ്പിൻ; ഭൂമിക്കും സമുദ്രത്തിനും അയ്യോ കഷ്ടം; പിശാചു തനിക്കു അല്പകാലമേയുള്ളു എന്നു അറിഞ്ഞു മഹാക്രോധത്തോടെ നിങ്ങളുടെ അടുക്കൽ ഇറങ്ങിവന്നിരിക്കുന്നു.12:13 തന്നെ ഭൂമിയിലേക്കു തള്ളിക്കളഞ്ഞു എന്നു മഹാസർപ്പം കണ്ടിട്ടു ആൺകുട്ടിയെ പ്രസവിച്ചസ്ത്രീയെ ഉപദ്രവിച്ചുതുടങ്ങി. (From the very beginning when she conceived our Lord the world evil spirit through the evil man like Herod, Nestor, in these days protestants, Pentecostals, fanatic Muslims, fanatic Hindus and all other non Christian sects and their leaders)12:14 അപ്പോൾ സ്ത്രീക്കു മരുഭൂമിയിൽ തന്റെ സ്ഥലത്തെക്കു പറന്നുപോകേണ്ടതിന്നു വലിയ കഴുകിന്റെ രണ്ടു ചിറകുലഭിച്ചു; (Assention of St Mary to the Paradise witnessed by the apostles especially St. Thomas) അവിടെ അവളെ സർപ്പത്തോടു അകലെ ഒരുകാലവും ഇരുകാലവും അരക്കാലവും പോറ്റി രക്ഷിച്ചു.
12:15 സർപ്പം സ്ത്രീയെ ഒഴുക്കിക്കളയേണ്ടതിന്നു അവളുടെ പിന്നാലെ തന്റെ വായിൽ നിന്നു നദിപോലെ വെള്ളം ചാടിച്ചു. (Still he is continuing it through the anti-christians who say St Mary is not the Mother of God and the mother of all true Christians)12:16 എന്നാൽ ഭൂമി സ്ത്രീക്കു തുണനിന്നു; മഹാസർപ്പം വായിൽനിന്നു ചാടിച്ച നദിയെ ഭൂമി വായ്തുറന്നു വിഴുങ്ങിക്കളഞ്ഞു.12:17 മഹാസർപ്പം സ്ത്രീയോടു കോപിച്ചു, ദൈവകല്പന പ്രമാണിക്കുന്നവരും യേശുവിന്റെ സാക്ഷ്യം ഉള്ളവരുമായി അവളുടെ സന്തതിയിൽ ശേഷിപ്പുള്ളവരോടു യുദ്ധം ചെയ്വാൻ പുറപ്പെട്ടു; അവൻ കടല്പുറത്തെ മണലിന്മേൽ നിന്നു.Dear brethren even though our mother is with us for our Protection she want us to be holy like her. All saints wish the same from us. That is why our Holy Mother told us “Listen to Him”. We should listen the word of God. We should live according to His commandments. Obey the Ten Commandments of the Lord is the way to heaven. The Whole bible is the interpretation of 10 commandments, the way how we disobey the commandments, the way how we can keep this 10 commandments. St Ephrem SaidQuotes from St Ephraim on Intercessory Prayer:"Remember me, ye heirs of God, ye brethren of Christ; supplicate the Savior earnestly for me, that I may be freed through Christ from him that fights against me day by day."(From 'The Fear at the End of Life')"Ye victorious martyrs who endured torments gladly for the sake of the God and Savior, ye who have boldness of speech toward the Lord Himself, ye saints, intercede for us who are timid and sinful men, full of sloth, that the grace of Christ may come upon us, and enlighten the hearts of all of us that so we may love Him."(From the Commentary on Mark)Read a Hymn from St Ephraim's Spiritual Psalter: "How many times have I promised, yet every time I failed to keep my word; but disregard this according to Thy grace.."St. Ephrem the Syrian saysWhen then Enemy sees that Christ, the true Light, is with us, he will not dare to look at us at all, for the light that is in us blinds his eyes.
Dear Brother when we receive the word of God we becomes lightened because we are receiving the word. He Pentecostals are blind in different degrees because from them evil spirit hide the Word, or true meaning of word.So go to the Word of God like a child who jump to his father’s hand with hope. Don’t allow any external things like a person or material thing influence you. Let the Holy Spirit interpret it to you, and check it with our Holy Father’s writings for the proof that it is revealed by the Holy Spirit and we were not cheated by the satan.
When I speak of the church and the mother of our Lord a satanic Pentecostal came to fight with me. By the grace of God and the protection of St. Mary and all the saints and angels I fought against him, The liar the devil who was from the very beginning send the His wrath against me. He tried to say that we can’t call our church as a mother and St Mary as our spiritual mother and protector. It is totally against the teachings of our Holy Fathers. God helped me to fight against him. In between he tried to blame me accuse me and tease with all lie. One of my friend who read my postings in the orkut asked me to put it together and make it in order, he said it nicely you beaten him. Glory to the Lord. It is with the prayer of our Mother and all saints God strengthened me with his sward.
I started like this. As a part of the Satanic Pentecostal Cult you don’t have the right to utter a single word in the Holy Church and about the Holy Church. If you want to argue with us, sorry we are not here for that. It is not the way of the saints. “But if any man seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.” 1Cor.11:16. I am saying about my Church and my believes. As a Satanic Pentecostal cult you don’t have the church and nature of Holy Church then there is no matter of talking you about the Church. But for my brothers in this forum I would like to say some words about it.
In writings of our Holy fathers it is very clear that the church is our mother and we are her seed. The liturgy of our church says we are the children of our church. Even Bible (Only the part and the product of the church) says we are the children of the Holy Church, the bride of our Lord Jesus Christ. (We are the children of Jesus as he is the creator of whole universe, we are the brothers of Jesus Christ as he gave us that right, and we are his Bride as we are the part of the Holy Church of Jesus Christ.)
According to the Syrian Orthodox church Understanding Christian Family is defined as a domestic church, a church where God is worshiped as the Lord.
At the time of Baptism of Our church we used to sing
“One has delivered and other one is looking after it”.
“Oruval Pettu mattoruval pottunnu….”Church is the one who is responsible to look after the child who is dedicated to the Lord, on the day of Baptism. It is the responsibility of the parents and all the Christian fellow beings to cater the kids in divine Spirit.
(St. Cyprian, De unit. 6: PL 4, 519).a saint of the church says"No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother" Mothers are loved by their families, and the love of a mother for her sons and daughters knows no bounds. They carried us lovingly in the womb for a period. We have partaken of her goodness, fed on her and developed within her. She has lovingly carried us and to her great joy has given us birth and brought us into this world. From then on she has been there for us to feed us and give us physical growth. She has ensured for our education. As a family she has acted as intermediary with other members, especially our father, from us to him, and to him from us, she intermediates in both directions, and with our brothers and sisters she has ensure that we have acted out of love and charity at all times. I have always liked the idea of church as mother, ever since I was made aware of it. From the above passage on mothers, reading it again, it is not difficult to see the similarities.
The Church like our mother, cares for her sons and daughters, and provides spiritual food for growth in the faith. She ensures for our education, and has tried to ensure that we act out of love and charity with our brothers and sisters at all times. She has been our mediator with God the father, through the power invested in her by Jesus Christ His son, and our brother. Off course, the mothering relationship in human terms and spiritual terms whilst in some ways similar, are in others totally different. I see my mother giving up her life for me; I see her constant concern for me personally, which maybe isn't there from the church all the time. May be the Church is a mother when we go to her as sons and daughters in need, but a mother is always mothering us, twenty four hours a day, whether we are approaching her or not. We are always on her mind. We love our mother, not because she possesses qualities which surpass those of other human beings, but for the simple fact that she is our mother. She might not posses some virtues to the same degree as others, but she is our mother never-the-less and that is why we love her. Because of whom she is, not because of what she is. This is also true of the Church I think. The church has its faults, its weaknesses, and there are moments of which we are ashamed to claim her as our "mother". However, love her we do, because she is our mother, and because our brother Jesus loved her, with all her shortcomings and gave his life for her.
So, in the physical sphere we are given birth, educated, fed and given growth by our earthly mother, so we are also given birth, educated, fed and given growth by our spiritual mother. I think the idea of Church as mother is a helpful one for communicating a good image of church. Although some people do not have a good idea of their mother, I think most people will be able to understand the emotions and the terms of the relationship of which we can speak. Another aspect of this model which can be expanded is the idea of the family unit as a symbol of church, and of the church as being a family unit. The mother-model of the church is suited to this idea. More over like my earthly mother helps me to know and love my father, it is my mother “church” helped me to know my triune almighty who had given his life for me and equipped me to love and worship him in true spirit.
Regarding St Mary
You Pentecostal cults are antichristian because you are witnessing not the Christ who born from perpetual Virgin Mary. You are witnessing antichrist, a christ born out of a prodigal girl. We don’t know who he is and what you are. Our Lord is born out of Virgin Mary, and Our Lord’s Mother is ever Virgin. If your lord’s mother is ever virgin let us speak about her. You are now the part of Satanic Cult. It is very clear from the word of God that the spirit in you was from the very beginning to blame the faithful. You don’t have the Blessed body and bread of Our Lord (Holy Qurbono) then how can you understand what we are speaking. I am sad about you.When we partake the Holy body of Jesus Christ we become the part of the mystical body of Jesus Christ. Thus we become the part of His life and He becomes the part of our Life. When we think in that line what we have and what we own is His and What he is what he owns is ours. As St. Mary is the mother and beloved to Our Lord she is our Mother and beloved to us, her offspring.
Rev. 12: 17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”It is very clear from these words that 1. And the dragon was wroth with the woman (St Mary), 2. And went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Children of St Mary)3. Which keep the commandments of God (Those who keep the commandment of God is the seed/offspring of St Mary)4. And have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ is the seed/offspring of St Mary)I think you may got brother evrything………….I am Sorry to say you satanic………please try to realize the truth……..God loves you…….Try to understand the word of God in Love of Him, believe in the word of GOD like a child. Don’t be prejudiced……….Don’t allow Satan to be win over you…..
Please read St John 6 Jesus Came to world to give us life. He chose the bread and wine as the means to give us His life, for that he established the Holy Qurbono. Some of the apostles and many gathered there couldn’t believe that what our Lord said. At the end of the chapter: Lord called Jude who didn’t believe in the body and blood of Our Lord as Satan (evil)…….. On the day of lat supper when he (Jude) took the body and blood of our Lord with out believing that as the body and blood of our Lord, Satan entered into him. Brother we want you to be saved.
What is the difference between Satan and God?
Satan looks negatives in every positive. God looks Positives in every negatives. You the satanic cult who cannot see any positive in Holy Virgin Mary…..the mother of all Christians. I would like to conclude by saying that as Orthodox Christians, we are also reminded of our mother Mary in this model. It is worth noting that she has also been seen as a model of the Church. In my opinion the magnificent of the mother of our Lord, can easily be seen as a song of the church militant.
It is the nature of the Satan to play with words; He will never hesitate to quote the word of God. The same we can see in what Satan did during the temptation of Jesus.
Then said these words
I have also passed my B.D. and we have learnt that there are two ways to interpreting the bible, exegesis and eisegesis. I think you are familiar with that. Exegesis is studying the text in the context and then interpreting it and eisegesis is put our ideas into the text without understandng the context. That is exactly what you have done in the verses.What you are doing is eisegesis. It is very clear from your words below. Satan always looks at negative when his pet areas which have kept people in bondage for ages are attacked. Satan does want people to go free. This is Moses cry to Pharoah, "Let my people go free!"
I said to him….
You quoted the word of Moses here to say that Satan don’t want there people to free from bondage. What you want to say? Are we in bondage…….? You are the satanic one wants us to be misguided by quoting this word….ye how we can be under bondage of Satan. We are against Satan…..We are not in bondage. In church we are enjoying communion with our Lord and fellowship of his Holy angels, saints….. and all. Church is the Body of Christ, who bears the body and blood of Christ. You are the one in bondage….. and you want others to be in that bondage.It is the word of God says from the very beginning the serpent who deceiving the children of God there to fight against the Church and its offspring.
Then he again said The church is called to love. Father, you know what these hate messages have done to the church in Kerala. Please be aware of your vocation as Christ's servant. Even on the cross Jesus said, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
I said; this is another technique of Satan. Always want to be good and using the word love in unnecessary ways. For us children of God the word hate is very important...……… For you satanic cult there is no word of hatred in your dictionary. Because you satanic cult if you hate anything there will be nobody in your side…………Dear brother I love you but I hate your deceitful words, and your master Satan, the antichrist.
He said that “the children of God will go free whether you like it or not.”
I saidDear brother Children of God will not go anywhere because those who walk in light will never deviate at anytime from the path…………
Are we in Bondage? We are in Bondage when we do sin and when we disobey the commandment of God Rom 13: 1-ff
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
For you satanic cult in each and everything there is multi meaning, you say being the part of the mystical body of Christ (Holy Church) is bondage, but for us by obeying our Spiritual Authority and be the part of our Church we are obeying the word of God. For you people we can’t call anything more than satanic because you are deceiving the people of God. You are misinterpreting the word of God.It is not myself even the Word of God speaks you are the Satanic antichristian who lead people to darkness.Let me Quote from our beloved Kaniyamparambil AchanIsn’t it good to hear the Lord's words from anyone? Why ban people?
It is good to learn the Lords words from anyone, as long as the person teaching refrains from giving his or her self-interpretation. Unfortunately this is not the case most of the time. They add, alter, and interpret the Lord’s words for their own gain. Apostles barred these kinds of teachers and barred people from going to listen to these people’s teachings. This is because of the fact that believers can easily be misguided. For example, the serpent that entered Eden never told Eve that there was no God or that one should not obey nor worship Him. All he did was to give a small lecture that if one eats the fruit, he or she will be like God. Eve listened thinking that God asked them not to eat the fruit because God feared of them becoming like Him (Her own interpretation). Subsequently she ‘made a decision’ to eat the fruit without thinking about the consequences. She even enticed Adam to eat the same fruit. Today’s heretics and ‘modern day teachers’ do the same thing - i.e. create doubts and confusion in the minds of people. This will create doubts regarding the truth. If people who stayed with the Holy Trinity were swayed by a small lecture, what would be the fate of ordinary people, if one were exposed to false teachings?
Lets us again see what the apostles ordered the church members to do:“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create dissension’s and obstacles, in opposition to the teaching that you learned; avoid them. For such people do not serve our Lord Christ but their own appetites, and by fair and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the innocent.” (Roman 16:17) Please read 2 Cor. 11: 4-15. “But I am afraid that just as the serpent through his deceitfulness misled Eve, so your minds should be corrupted from the sincerity that is in Christ. For if he who has come to you preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you have received another spirit, which you had not received or another gospel, which you had not accepted, you might have listened to him” (2 Cor. 11:3-4). “For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds” (2 Cor. 13-15). Paul gives us such strong messages. If Paul felt that, listening to anyone preaching would not be a problem, he would not have issued such strong messages. From the above advice from Paul, we should understand that many of the preachers or ministers could be false apostles and deceitful workers. John also has issued similar warnings. Now the question is ‘who is telling the truth?’ Is it the new advisers and interpreters that have mushroomed recently or that which was taught (and) practiced from the time of the apostles?
For you Pentecostals
* You don’t have to follow 10 commandments (because you say you are not under the Law) *There is no the Lord’s Prayer to you which our Lord taught his disciples. *There is no confession which God established for the remission of Sin for you satanic cults because you say you are already saved (?), but you are still in your sins.*You don’t have the Holy Qurbono established by our Lord. (St. John 6)*You deny the priestly authority God given to the apostles and its successors. *You deny the anointing the sick by the Holy oil. *You don’t have the Holy Christian Baptism. Through which we become the son of God. And which is for our resurrection and rebirth. *You say you have bible, But we say we have bible and that bible is made by us (Church) for the sake of the church. What we can call you brother……Please go back to the true church of God.
I have nothing with you brother please….. please understand the truth. Please read the links which I posted above.
This is what you do always…… just running around the bush. Another thing for your notice "Our Church' is the one who made this bible and the Church is not the byproduct of Bible. The satanic Pentecostals are the cult which formed out of pried, greedy, selfishness, and ignorance and using the bible for their own way. Thus we call you wolves among us. Children know who their mother is and who their father is. I am not interested to discuss with you more. Even if God says you directly you won’t change.
Getting BD is nothing Man. I know after all what BD is and how much you got through that BD. It is not the human intellect that leads the church it is the wisdom of God revealed to our Holy fathers speaks through our liturgy, especially our Promiyoon Sedra of our church.... Which is more important and most Holy as Bible.
I think you may read the following things before you join in this community.......What you learned from BD, some rubbish Pentecostal things meaningless dialogues......You should learn what the fathers of the church said and how the early Christian community believed and lived. That you should learn from the church. How as an outsider you can judge the church and its teachings............For us again I say our Church and St. Mary is our mother. Like a hen protect their chicken under its wings. Our mother Mary covers us and protects us, with her holiness, those who depend on her intercession will be protected from all sins.
Dear brother you may say that you are never doing sin.......But God knows.....If you are under big sins.....if there is any time of temptation you pray hail Mary full of grace. It is sure that she will be there for your support and you can get out and get away from the sins.I know personally many who came out of the Pentecostals and protestant cults witnessed that.......what are the heresies they attributed to St Mary they entered into the same sins, and they where continued the same physical and mortal sins for many times.
Please try to understand the saints and follow their Holy life......and their holy teaching. http://www.armenianchurchlibrary.com/files/wolves_among_us_frkrikorandyeghiahairabedian.pdfIt is the history of Many man made Pentecostal cults like you and how it originated and how was the life of its founders.
Then he accepted and said in this way.
This is what I have been saying right through. Even St. Francis of Asissi prayer Mary to pray to the Lord for the forgiveness of our sins. Nothing more, nothing less. This is the Gospel. We all want forgiveness of our sins through the death of Christ. He does not go beyond that. Again, in both prayers, he salutes her for her virtues. Every true believer will salute the virtues of Mary. There is no doubt of all the virtues for her faith. We have not contradicted that.
I again said to him@ Ipe what ever things you say............at least you accepted one truth I am happy about that. Dear Ipe your dialogues are very cunning and in between you are putting some “masalas” For this I called you devil. Cheating the believers with sweet words. This is what your master did in Aden with the Eve. Using sweet words and putting lie in-between. For us true believers our yes is yes and no is no. There is no compromise. The saints Saluted not only the virtues of St Mary rather they saluted the person. That is why St Aphrem Said
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For us the fellowship of saints is for our protection and they intercede on behalf of us……..this is the apostolic teaching and even St. Paul ask the believers to pray for him as it is in the church of saints.
Then he tried to attack me personally saying the following words.
All you want is people to blindly stick to "what the your concept of what the church is" so that you may enjoy all the priveleges of priesthood Yes true brother I want my People should know the Lord and should believe in true faith. When they began to know and love their church they will know what the church (want to say them) what our forefathers taught us. The holy saints like Mor Ephrem the Syrian who is accepted even by the catholic church as the saint and Doctor of the Church……..what 1st-4th century saints taught us.
Here is no matter of freedom in the church….It is not me develop the faith of the church. It is Holy spirit who revealed the truth to the world through the Apostols and saints like Mor Ephrem and Our Holy fathers like Mor Gregoriose Parumala.Rom 13: 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.One more thing brother, in our Church each of our believers have the inner freedom……You are the one who want others follow you blindly even though you are blind. It is not me or our Spiritual authority who leads the church. It is the Holy Spirit who works in each and every one of the church who lead the church. It is the members of the church who lead by the Holy Spirit govern the church with its elders.
You said “So that I can enjoy all the privileges of priesthood. Dear brother we are not the ‘Masters’ in the garden of our Lord. Rather we are the servants in the pastures. We are not like you liars who get tithe every month from the people and who lead them to darkness. As priest if you say we are enjoying the privilege, it is true we deserve it and it is the people of God who love us give us these all sorts of respect and supports, but personally I am not accepting any offer or anything from anyone….. You are the devil who wants to bring people into confusion by putting this much cheap silly statements. As St. Paul says in Rom 13: 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. Dear brother we deserve everything but we don’t want anything. But for you evil Pentecostal cult if anyone didn’t pay tithe for a month he will be out of your cult. Because you want them only for money.
Dear brother now your real colour came out He continued his words like this.And when that is threatened you get into such an attack which is unchristian and a shame to the cassock you profess to wear. I hope your own sheep expose what you really are, "wolves in sheep's clothing."
I said to Him.Dear brother I don’t have time to sing lullaby to you…………and I am not ready to give you a seat in our ship………..you are the thief…………..How I can bear you brother……..I pray for you to God to pardon you for your personal attack on me. But I can’t bear you or pardon you when you speak lie about the God, the word of God, His church and its saints.
In between one of the saintly person belongs to our Sister catholic Church said in this way…….
Sons of Darkness---Wolf in in disguise
Ipe proved him self to be a lier and a fraud.He proved himself to be part of one of satanic pentecostal cult.It is of these frauds Jesus called wolfs in disguise.MOST of the new age churches are composed of A SATANIC CULT MASTER , his agents called pastors who get money from the cult master ,some mental patients , and 80 % of brainwashed innocent fellows, who consider the cult master as a Godly person .The cult master usually make his customization (false interpretation ) of some of the bible verses and start a new cult which he call a new church)CULT MASTER takes money from the rich innocent brainwashed fools ,who believe by giving money to him they can reach heaven.By this money THE CULT MASTER live Like a King and agents get a job for their daily food, canvassing fools for his BOSS, the CULT MASTER.There are more than 1000 of such satanic Pentecostal cults, which teach contradictory things.Either God is deceiver or they are satanic deceivers who tell lies for money and power.
Please ban IPe
Please ban IPe who tries to spread satanic pentecostal cult ideas.
To moderators
Even devil quote from BibileThere are pentecostal cults which quotes to praise homosexuality.Pentecostal cults quote bible to call "Obama" , "Putin" etc as anti christ.They quote bible and predicted end of world so many times.They quote bible to preach lawlessness and to claim they are already saved.Kindly do not give chance to agents of devil , who are disguised as lambs.
@IpeYou are again continuing your blame and lie. Dear brother if our Leaders travel in the benze or corolla or anything it is because of us. They are our spiritual fathers and we are proud of that.... This I say the cunningness in your words.......You want to pull the pity hearts down........You are a pastor or not that is not a matter. You are the one who belongs to the chain. I know many Pentecostal and I am well known about the percentage you share from top to bottom. Rev 12: 9 and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Dear brother you are the one who we call devil, you are the one who criticize the church and the teachings of the church. It is the word says, our Lord have caste down you from the very beginning. You are the Lucifer, who blame the children of God and blame in every silly thing in whole day and night.
He again asked me the reason for that I called the Church and St
Mary as mothers.
I said him
I have already answered to your questions in my second postings…….there is no more answerAs a full human being our Lord Jesus was protected by Mother Mary when he was child. And she was protected by St Joseph when she carried our Lord in her Womb.What you mean by protection and salvation?As an earthly mother our mother protected us from all the dangers in the world, when we where kids. We all know that it is through her God worked. If you say no it is not your mother protected you from all dangers, it is the God who protected me, I will say that’s true God is all and God is the inspiration for her to do so, or God equipped her to do so. It is good to say God Almighty is everything and he is all at all time that is the sign of divinity. My God is not a selfish one like you and me. It is the God himself make saints worthy to be honored (not worshiped) by others. Just think a house got fire, and if a child is inside... His mother…. at any cost will go inside and fetch that child…because its her child. Will she do it if it’s her cousin or some one..? Some times!!!
True that means our mother will protect us. For that she is willing to leave her life or danger her life. If earthly mom are truly filled with holy sprit.. She will save her child from doing evil things…..for eg:…. just think about St. Augustine...Only his mom’s tears made him a saint... Being protector doesn’t mean that being a savior or redeemer. I and you can’t ever say I am a holy I am a saint I am all and I am worthy to praise. But we will say those who lived as per the word of God by partake the Holy Qurbono is Holy and saint. It is the spirit in the Lord through.
Whom our father raised his only begotten son will raise the dead (saints). It is partaking the Holy Communion with holiness and leave in holiness merit the saints to be worthy for their resurrection. The mother protects her kids from all harms and malice, definitely protection is the act performed by God through Man.
If you say the use of the term protection is not correct. Then how we can say the earthly mother protecting her kids. If so our mother Mary is with us for our protection. From all evil spirits attacks evil thoughts and from all evil wretched acts. As she is mother who promised by God Almighty to St John she is our Mother. It is long after her ascension in to the heavenly aboard St John said that she is the mother of all true Christians who witness Jesus Christ and follow the commandment of God. Rev. 12:17.Do you accept this word of St John as she is our Spiritual mother? No because you have nothing with our Lord and His Mother. For St John Mother Mary is his mother. Not only his mother, the Mother of all human being. Elizabeth and all apostles addressed St. Mary as mother; St Luke is very specific when he uses the term mother when he addresses St Mary.
But you Pentecostals are hesitate even to pronounce the word of our Mother Mary. I didn’t mean the word protection as creation or salvation or redemption. The word protection may use in different ways. You don’t know who is a saint and what the role of saints in the church is. Then how can you know that how Mary is our protector. It is the promise of our Lord to the world at the time of the ascension of St. Mary that in all the malice He will protect the world if she intercedes to our Lord on behalf of us. You liar devil cannot understand this truth. Because you are born out of lie and continuing the same. Do you know how Mary protected the people of India Including your Grand Mothers at time of Tippu Sulthan……. There is a social and cultural basis of starting 8 Nombu perunnal in kerala.
During the time of Tipu when the army tried to maltreat and rape the people of God especially women, they began to pray gathered at Manargad Church and request for the intercession of St Mary. At the end there was a great flood and all the army of Tipu went back many died of this flood. Thus our women in the Kerala got escaped. This is the way our Mother protect us from all the dangers and malice.
As Jance said the time is over to ban the satanic pentacostals
Rev.12:1 സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ വലിയൊരു അടയാളം കാണായി: സൂര്യനെ അണിഞ്ഞോരു സ്ത്രീ (St Mary); അവളുടെ കാൽക്കീഴ് ചന്ദ്രനും അവളുടെ തലയിൽ പന്ത്രണ്ടു നക്ഷത്രംകൊണ്ടുള്ള കിരീടവും ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു.12:2 അവൾ ഗർഭിണിയായി നോവുകിട്ടി വേദനപ്പെട്ടു നിലവിളിച്ചു.12:3 സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ മറ്റൊരു അടയാളം കാണായി: ഏഴു തലയും പത്തു കൊമ്പും തലയിൽ ഏഴു രാജമുടിയുമായി തീനിറമുള്ളോരു മഹാസർപ്പം.12:4 അതിന്റെ വാൽ ആകാശത്തിലെ നക്ഷത്രങ്ങളിൽ മൂന്നിലൊന്നിനെ വലിച്ചുകൂട്ടി ഭൂമിയിലേക്കു എറിഞ്ഞുകളഞ്ഞു. പ്രസവിപ്പാറായ സ്ത്രീ(St Mary) പ്രസവിച്ച ഉടനെ കുട്ടിയെ തിന്നുകളവാൻ മഹാസർപ്പം അവളുടെ മുമ്പിൽ നിന്നു.12:5 അവൾ സകലജാതികളെയും ഇരിമ്പുകോൽ കൊണ്ടു മേയ്പാനുള്ളോരു ആൺകുട്ടിയെ പ്രസവിച്ചു; (Jesus Christ) കുട്ടി ദൈവത്തിന്റെ അടുക്കലേക്കും അവന്റെ സിംഹാസനത്തിലേക്കും പെട്ടെന്നു എടുക്കപ്പെട്ടു.(Jesus’s Death, resurrection and Asscention to Heaven)
12:6 സ്ത്രീ മരുഭൂമിയിലേക്കു(Heaven/ Paradise) ഓടിപ്പോയി; അവിടെ അവളെ ആയിരത്തിരുനൂറ്ററുപതു ദിവസം പോറ്റേണ്ടതിന്നു ദൈവം ഒരുക്കിയോരു സ്ഥലം അവൾക്കുണ്ടു.
Repeating the same incident in another way in the following words.12:7 പിന്നെ സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ യുദ്ധം ഉണ്ടായി; മീഖായേലും അവന്റെ ദൂതന്മാരും മഹാസർപ്പത്തോടു പടവെട്ടി; തന്റെ ദൂതന്മാരുമായി മഹാസർപ്പവും പടവെട്ടി ജയിച്ചില്ലതാനും.12:8 സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ അവരുടെ സ്ഥലം പിന്നെ കണ്ടതുമില്ല. 12:9 ഭൂതലത്തെ മുഴുവൻ തെറ്റിച്ചുകളയുന്ന പിശാചും സാത്താനും എന്ന മഹാസർപ്പമായ പഴയ പാമ്പിനെ ഭൂമിയിലേക്കു തള്ളിക്കളഞ്ഞു; അവന്റെ ദൂതന്മാരെയും അവനോടു കൂടെ തള്ളിക്കളഞ്ഞു.12:10 അപ്പോൾ ഞാൻ സ്വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ ഒരു മഹാശബ്ദം പറഞ്ഞുകേട്ടതു: ഇപ്പോൾ നമ്മുടെ ദൈവത്തിന്റെ രക്ഷയും ശക്തിയും രാജ്യവും അവന്റെ ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ ആധിപത്യവും തുടങ്ങിയിരിക്കുന്നു; (By the Incarnation of our Lord itself the majesty of our Lord started in the world that is why Jesus said Kingdom is among you.) നമ്മുടെ സഹോദരന്മാരെ രാപ്പകൽ ദൈവ സന്നിധിയിൽ കുറ്റം ചുമത്തുന്ന അപവാദിയെ തള്ളിയിട്ടുകളഞ്ഞുവല്ലോ.12:11 അവർ (saints) അവനെ കുഞ്ഞാടിന്റെ രക്തം ഹേതുവായിട്ടു ജയിച്ചു; മരണപര്യന്തം തങ്ങളുടെ പ്രാണനെ സ്നേഹിച്ചതുമില്ല. (Saints sacrifised their life for Christ)12:12 ആകയാൽ സ്വർഗ്ഗവും അതിൽ വസിക്കുന്നവരുമായുള്ളോരേ, (Saints are Living in the Heaven) ആനന്ദിപ്പിൻ; ഭൂമിക്കും സമുദ്രത്തിനും അയ്യോ കഷ്ടം; പിശാചു തനിക്കു അല്പകാലമേയുള്ളു എന്നു അറിഞ്ഞു മഹാക്രോധത്തോടെ നിങ്ങളുടെ അടുക്കൽ ഇറങ്ങിവന്നിരിക്കുന്നു.12:13 തന്നെ ഭൂമിയിലേക്കു തള്ളിക്കളഞ്ഞു എന്നു മഹാസർപ്പം കണ്ടിട്ടു ആൺകുട്ടിയെ പ്രസവിച്ചസ്ത്രീയെ ഉപദ്രവിച്ചുതുടങ്ങി. (From the very beginning when she conceived our Lord the world evil spirit through the evil man like Herod, Nestor, in these days protestants, Pentecostals, fanatic Muslims, fanatic Hindus and all other non Christian sects and their leaders)12:14 അപ്പോൾ സ്ത്രീക്കു മരുഭൂമിയിൽ തന്റെ സ്ഥലത്തെക്കു പറന്നുപോകേണ്ടതിന്നു വലിയ കഴുകിന്റെ രണ്ടു ചിറകുലഭിച്ചു; (Assention of St Mary to the Paradise witnessed by the apostles especially St. Thomas) അവിടെ അവളെ സർപ്പത്തോടു അകലെ ഒരുകാലവും ഇരുകാലവും അരക്കാലവും പോറ്റി രക്ഷിച്ചു.
12:15 സർപ്പം സ്ത്രീയെ ഒഴുക്കിക്കളയേണ്ടതിന്നു അവളുടെ പിന്നാലെ തന്റെ വായിൽ നിന്നു നദിപോലെ വെള്ളം ചാടിച്ചു. (Still he is continuing it through the anti-christians who say St Mary is not the Mother of God and the mother of all true Christians)12:16 എന്നാൽ ഭൂമി സ്ത്രീക്കു തുണനിന്നു; മഹാസർപ്പം വായിൽനിന്നു ചാടിച്ച നദിയെ ഭൂമി വായ്തുറന്നു വിഴുങ്ങിക്കളഞ്ഞു.12:17 മഹാസർപ്പം സ്ത്രീയോടു കോപിച്ചു, ദൈവകല്പന പ്രമാണിക്കുന്നവരും യേശുവിന്റെ സാക്ഷ്യം ഉള്ളവരുമായി അവളുടെ സന്തതിയിൽ ശേഷിപ്പുള്ളവരോടു യുദ്ധം ചെയ്വാൻ പുറപ്പെട്ടു; അവൻ കടല്പുറത്തെ മണലിന്മേൽ നിന്നു.Dear brethren even though our mother is with us for our Protection she want us to be holy like her. All saints wish the same from us. That is why our Holy Mother told us “Listen to Him”. We should listen the word of God. We should live according to His commandments. Obey the Ten Commandments of the Lord is the way to heaven. The Whole bible is the interpretation of 10 commandments, the way how we disobey the commandments, the way how we can keep this 10 commandments. St Ephrem SaidQuotes from St Ephraim on Intercessory Prayer:"Remember me, ye heirs of God, ye brethren of Christ; supplicate the Savior earnestly for me, that I may be freed through Christ from him that fights against me day by day."(From 'The Fear at the End of Life')"Ye victorious martyrs who endured torments gladly for the sake of the God and Savior, ye who have boldness of speech toward the Lord Himself, ye saints, intercede for us who are timid and sinful men, full of sloth, that the grace of Christ may come upon us, and enlighten the hearts of all of us that so we may love Him."(From the Commentary on Mark)Read a Hymn from St Ephraim's Spiritual Psalter: "How many times have I promised, yet every time I failed to keep my word; but disregard this according to Thy grace.."St. Ephrem the Syrian saysWhen then Enemy sees that Christ, the true Light, is with us, he will not dare to look at us at all, for the light that is in us blinds his eyes.
Dear Brother when we receive the word of God we becomes lightened because we are receiving the word. He Pentecostals are blind in different degrees because from them evil spirit hide the Word, or true meaning of word.So go to the Word of God like a child who jump to his father’s hand with hope. Don’t allow any external things like a person or material thing influence you. Let the Holy Spirit interpret it to you, and check it with our Holy Father’s writings for the proof that it is revealed by the Holy Spirit and we were not cheated by the satan.
